Deep Dive: Michael Henrickson, CEO of WavePiston, Putting Wave Energy to Good Use

Today we're discussing wave energy! Oceans cover 71% of the surface of the globe and guess what! Waves are everywhere! It's estimated that just the wave energy potential along the continental US could be 33-65% of the total electricity demand in the US.

You'll hear from Michael Henricksen the CEO of WavePiston. WavePiston is changing the game when it comes to capturing and converting wave energy into electrical potential or desalinated seawater. Based in Denmark, they are creating a non-intrusive, simple, robust and low-cost solution to capturing the energy potential of the ocean.

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Transcript

David Evans: 0:25

On today's deep dive episode, we're talking to Michael Henrickson, the CEO of wave piston. Wave piston is a Danish company that's focusing on how we can turn wave energy into electrical potential, and also desalinated seawater. We talk about the potential of wave energy for the future of energy production, we talk about the environmental impacts, we talk about the difficulties of even working in the ocean, especially in an area where you're trying to target being in giant huge waves. Now, one note before we get started, unfortunately, the audio for this interview sounded differently when we were recording it than when it actually came out in the recording. So Michael might be a bit hard to understand. But all of the information he has is super, super interesting. It's well worth the lesson. Alright, that's enough for me. Let's get this thing started. So sit back relax and get ready to learn a little bit more about creating electricity from waves that sir, Barney, G. Nick nippy will mean to be low in zero to marry a cheap, Chinese way. Why water we doing? And how can we do better? Your one stop shop for everything water related from discussing water, its use and the organisms that depend on it for all the global issues that you really never knew all had to do with water. I'm your host, David Evans from the aquatic biosphere project. And I just want to ask you something. What are we doing? And how can we do better? I and welcome back to another deep dive episode of the what are we doing podcast where we're talking to Michael Henrickson from a wave piston. I'm so excited to introduce Michael and get started learning about wave energy. So how about you introduce yourself and let our listeners know a little bit about yourself?

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 2:57

Yeah, thanks, David. Yes, well, I'm Michael Hendrickson. I'm the CEO of wave piston. Also one of the founders of wave piston one of the only non technical non engineers in the company actually more Business Commercial Background, I've been involved in wave energy since end of 2013 and CEO of wave piston since 2014. And in Wave piston, yeah, as you say, we are working with the energy of the waves to convert them to something usable, which is we can convert it both via to my generator to electricity. And we can also use the energy in the wave for desalination via reverse osmosis plants. So this is sort of our basics of our system.

David Evans: 3:42

Very cool to marrying not only generating electricity, but also desalination. That's such a such a unique concept of having both be part of the design, rather than one specifically fueling the other. Where did this idea come from? Yes, it's

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 3:58

actually my clever colleagues that came with the idea so two other founders were also the inventors that's Martin and Christian, they are the engineers here what are some of the engineers now the company they had a common background working with different types of projects, development projects, etc. And facing has a background before that he was in the offshore industry. And he was sort of looking at this the waves and he said, Okay, it's quite strange, why it hasn't been possible to harvest the energy from the waves in an efficient way to make something sort of actually that's viable that could be competitive. Yeah. And the reason is of course, it is quite difficult. So we have to be it is difficult to work in the sea in the offshore not in the normal conditions, but when you know, the storms come and the very large ways that there is we need to have some good storm protection systems as well. But all in all, it's a very hot environment they were they started analyzing this, see, okay, what type of concepts were there in the market and what were the positive things and negative things about those? And then so far out that many of these concepts have had evolved started from someone having idea how to convert the entity into waves, which is actually not so how to do like, you know, sitting with a rubber dog in your bathtub. This is not actually the main issue a problem is not how to do it. But it's actually to understand the total cost structure of the whole system. It's not only the ones you know, the things that move covered, but the whole system, all the forces and all the things you have to handle both in normal conditions, these extreme conditions. So they were looking at that, and they they came up with this concept we have right now, try to do it briefly to explain how it looks like. Because that's, that's also the reason I came into this, I think it's really very interesting and innovative and the genius concept, you could say, because instead of sort of fighting the forces, they have the ocean, they're sort of playing with the forces. Yeah, so what we have is our system is like, you have a plate like a plate in the water standing vertically in the plate in the water, when the wave pass by the plate goes back and forth, this back and forth movement, this backpack, a portable, you can use sort of you can convert to something interesting. But what happens and others have done that that's nothing either flipping up or down, whatever. But what happens if you have many of these plates, we call them energy collectors. So maybe these plates besides each other, and the wave pass by them with each work, you know, individually, back and forth. But if you put them on the same structure, then something interesting happens. Because then you know, some of them moving in one direction, some on the other directions. So it's bit like you know, you have people pulling in, you know, what you call it in English, and you're pulling a tug of war. So it should apply for people that you can actually hear ahead, stand behind those people and just hold the rope two fingers the same here. So it makes me wonder it isn't me either. So the forces that impact, the whole structure is false or canceled out with the axes, like it goes down to less than a 10th compared to having each one of these converters or energy collectors that we call to be no more individually as a separate structure. So this is sort of the foundation for this, you can say innovation, this invention back then, where they start saying, Okay, that was could be something interesting, they thought there was a way back in 2008. So that nine, we got a patent on that, and started going into detail, okay, how can we convert or how much energy we'll get out of this, what are the issues, etcetera, etcetera. And it started back then. And then I came into this together with them in 2013. But my background, which is the non technical side, so I like to build on all the other things, you know, which is needed. And it's, it's also it's quite interesting when you talk about startups and introduce intrapreneurship. And stuff like that is, it's not only the technical, you know, things in the product or the system, it is everything are hunted, that has to go up in, in a total a nice way you need to proper funding in the right competencies, the right partners, the right you know, all these things to move your product ahead to developing especially an offshore product or for system like this. It's it is a long process. Yeah. So that was the, the short explanation of some of these years for Yeah. But so this is actually what's interesting. So the foundation has this false cancellation, we call it Yeah. Because then suddenly, you can you can reduce the structure of things and mooring, etc, and then focus on, you know, this energy conversion into collectors. That's the simple version. Because,

David Evans: 8:53

yeah, that's one of the things that really drew me to this because I've typically seen wave energy being captured more so in underwater turbines or propellers, or there are some that do collect the force of a wave by moving a plate or something. But the overall design of wave piston abilities to capture the force of a wave that move independently along the same structure, and honestly looks just very cool visually. It's a such a different design than I've typically seen. So I was wondering if you could touch on maybe how I understand maybe it's the movement, that's how the TriCity is generated. But where does the desalinated water come into the effect? Yeah.

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 9:36

So what we do is we try also to keep the things as simple as possible. It's always complex when you're in the offshore site, but but as simple as possible. So what we do we work with hydraulic system. So what these plates they do take one plate, we call them necessary in energy collector, but then tries to pump you know, so the back and forth movements is sucks and seawater, and then it pushes, you know, this, you're into a pressure pipe, and we increase the pressure to 60 pounds. So what would work when we take the energy from the waves, and then we pressurize seawater, and that pressure seawater, is that transported via pressure pipe to a conversion station? Yeah. And the interesting part here Is the pressurized water you can use at least for two things. One is you can we can drive a turbine. And what we use Pelton turbine, so that spins around drives a generator and we can produce the electricity to the grid. The other interesting part of the pressure is seawater will be sucked in and pressurize it is pressurized seawater is what is needed for reverse osmosis and reverse osmosis. It's the most efficient way of desalinated seawater that has existed development, then actually, you suck in seawater, you increase the pressure to about 6065 70 bars depending on the system. And then you pressure that pressure as we go through the membrane in this reverse osmosis plant, and you can then get the sold out and get into potable water. But our system always takes the same pressure as water in so we can actually use this high pressure water into reverse osmosis plants. Moultrie is not that easy, as I'm saying, because you need we need to pre filter the water before it goes into reverse osmosis to not to destroy membranes and not to edit the clocks or we need to clean the whole time. So that's all some of the challenges here, because you need to do high filter, high pressure filtration to put a pin not sure this one actually the which is, if I'm allowed to do that, and isn't Yeah, of course, it's a that's a flirt one related to reverse osmosis. Because we're talking with some of the existing versus process plants, they are very interested in this because they can see of course, instead of they do this, and then they suddenly come to you, or they have to take electricity from the grid, which is produced somewhere else. So there's a lot of losses on the way, then we can actually connect directly to this reverse osmosis plant, either by doing this process, I just told you about all another one, because they already have this existing reverse osmosis plant with all the things that I need, we can use our pressurized water to pressurize our water. Why is that interesting? That's because you get a much higher efficiency, you take our pressurized water and convert it in via turbine to electricity that actually goes to the grid, to the distribution system to transmission system essentially says that, we can use the direct in and get a very high, much higher efficiency on this energy conversion side. So So in the end, suddenly, we have three ways of using this yet. So it's quite interesting. And this is also what's very thrilling about this, there's a lot of attention. People are very interested in this. And of course, what we need to show now that is this also works in full scale. And we're not killed by the big ways. We don't have, you know, operational maintenance that are too high cetera, et cetera. That's all the things we're working on at the moment that is getting our first full scale system out in the Atlantic Ocean at Grand Canyon.

David Evans: 13:04

That's so interesting. I mean, it does make sense that there would be that third out there. Can you speak a bit about where the wave piston systems are deployed right now?

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 13:15

Yeah, that's quite easy, because as of right now, you know, we had one we call the because we prepared our full scale installation right now is right. We have a Spanish daughter company in Gran Canaria, one of our guys down there is coordinating the work we're doing at the moment, we had an A trial installation, a pre installation, we call it to prepare for all this there was back in from December 20 to march 21 to test different things and mooring installations and or to the local supply network assessment. And based on that knowledge, we've made some upgrades got some new you know, agreements with suppliers etc. And now we are preparing the whole infrastructure at leasing, you know, we need to have this pressure pipe the pipe to space and it's a test area. So it is a platform we take the pipe to will meet the power generation unit with a turbine generator connected, we need to have a desalination unit connect etc. All these construction works go ongoing right now. After that, we'll have the install our structure, which is the mooring in each in only two anchor points. And then we call it the string line there and then we can put on the energy creators or take off whatever when we tested different things. And those that will happen first one around April May and then we expect in September, to turn on the commission so we can start producing electricity and also to desalination with these fullscale 2022 is going to be very interesting.

David Evans: 14:49

Big Year, big year for Wave piston excited. Maybe you all I'll have an update by the time this podcast comes out, they'll be able to reach out. Yeah, so I guess when you have a full system deployed at full scale, how much electricity or how much desalinated water, are you looking at being able to produce just under an average day or whatever? What would be the peak values that you would expect to be able to get to?

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 15:14

So I think we should talk like references because it all depends on which look Patient we are in somehow looking ahead for a poor way plan or is still good enough to be the other way planets. A string, we call them us now with just as like a reference system where we have 32 Energy collectors on there, we expect to have at the grandkid area where we are right now it's 650,000 kilowatt hour per year. For $1, you can of course add as many strings as you want. In other locations like the French Caribbean, we've been looking at Martinique, we get nine, they alternate nine or nine or 50 kilowatt hour who string the same thing he says because the wave climb is a bit more stable and a bit more energetic. And then if you go other places with much more energy, if you can get a bit more, but the formula is that you don't want you don't care about those very, very large wait for the storms, you only want to look at the 90 98% 99% of the time, it's the normal condition sets where you need to optimize your system for him. So anything you can say, from 500 megawatts to 1000 megawatts for the current system. So you can see, and this is actually something that, you know, over time, we need to work with to increase efficiency use of get more energy on this and also cause decrease the cost to get a better cost per per kilowatt hour.

David Evans: 16:38

How far are these systems deployed right now? And I guess, are there areas where the wave energy is just too high that you wouldn't consider putting these out?

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 16:49

Yeah, not too high, actually. Because no matter where we are, we need some, some good, robust, and also good systems that can survive these extreme conditions. And they are more or less all the places where you have waves, you also get some nasty large waves once in a while. Yeah. So we need to be able to handle these, it's just that we start with some areas right now. Probably, for instance, where we are testing at the moment, which is quite nice. It's not too extreme. And it's, it's pretty much stable, the waves coming in. So then we get a relatively good efficiency, and we are able to see what is happening etc. In practice, we need to be able to handle all the places where you have a good wave climate. And when you have a good wave climate, you also get some nice extremes, like 1050, meter waves, etc. Even more sometimes,

David Evans: 17:38

yeah, I'm just imagining you can't turn off the wave. So sure, it makes it quite interesting actually installing these projects? Because if you don't have there's no low within the within the ocean.

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 17:51

No, you're right. It is a it's actually it's it's a terrible place to be. It's a lot of energy, or there's a lot of things. Yeah. So the first, you know, this is that we had our there, section, the picture here behind me, some people can see that. It's from the North Sea. And we did a lot of these things, our sales together with some, of course, good suppliers and partners. But I was also up myself, you know, putting goggles on and tried to do different stuff. So you really get to learn how difficult difficult is to work on the ocean. Also, that the system is not available the whole time. You can't just go out there and check things because then you have like one or several weeks of bad weather. You just have to say Okay, is there it was? And of course we have some sensors, you can see what is happening, but you don't really see it. Yeah. So it is quite difficult. And that's also the reason you can say because a lot of people are asking what happened wave energy pen success yet, why haven't we any competitors? And I don't like when, when and so on? And the simple answer is because it's more difficult. In the old days, we know Denmark is wind energy with wind country, yeah. Then this local blacksmith, he just built his own little wind turbine, put it next to his farm or whatever, and then started working on this going back and forth later, we need to put something in the sea. Of course, we have test in small tanks and in small waves, etc. But we need to get out in the big waves. Yeah. And that makes it more difficult. So So what we've done in the world, now we have taken them all low hanging fruits of the renewable energy, we're still going to use that much more with much more solar as needed in my mind. And then we just need to add now we need to add the wave energy because it's a very large potential. And we are getting there. It's not only Ospital several interesting companies in the world now looking into this or has been around for a long time, but also simply what's coming up. So this renewable energy source, we also need that to complement wind and solar because the wave energy is on places actually time by shift compared to wind and of course solar energy is in the daytime. It's not in the nighttime. So by having several renewable energy sources makes it much more interesting. It's better to stabilize the grid and sort of having a total system viewmont getting renewables at 100% renewables.

David Evans: 20:16

Yeah, absolutely. We can't just look at renewables as Only wind and solar, there's so many other potential energies out there. And wave energy is definitely a very obvious one that some people may just look at and say, Yeah, it's crazy to be out there and in these big waves and trying to capture that energy, but that's the energy that will be coming back time and time again, is reliable. And we can count on Yeah. Yeah, I guess, do you have a rough sense on the amount of energy or potential energy that could be produced through from from capturing wave energy?

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 20:52

Yeah, there are several articles, papers, scientists have been doing all these things. So So I think the what I've seen is like a theoretical the potential of 2000 Pika watts, which is three times more, or whatever, when today in the world, but that like theoretical sort of capacity, potentially insane? Yeah, it is large density of the energy in the ways it's more much more dense, of course, compared to wind like this. So you actually have more energy in a small area, if you're able to harvest it, of course. So the potential is large, it will be as large as wind can be, but solar power and wind power was a good start. For like, last 2030 years, we need to catch up to that. And then of course, it's difficult to compare this also one also asked the whole times, okay, what is your price, its achievement and wins. Okay, come on, we just, you know, we have six, or how much it's not five 600 key or when we've had some time, we're not sure when we've had more than 20 years now on our show me and see that we've been able to reduce the cost that much because of economies of scale, but also because of innovations of making them much more efficient and sizes, size size, we have to go through those development cycles. Well, I don't think it's gonna take as long as that because we, generally in the world, we have a faster development track of these things, but also that we can have many systems out there to sort of optimize our solution. Yeah. So we started another level. But we still believe that this is sort of a level that can be competitive, especially if you look at what we are focusing on to say in the beginning, let's look at islands isolated coastal communities, hotels, resorts and stuff like that. These are not triple digit megawatt systems, they're like two fives in two megawatt systems, they have a very high price and teaching. And the teacher generated power, many of them fossil fuels once replace it, so we can go in and replace everything, but at least go in and be a big part of the solution for throwing these into generators out. And then we'll get that price on levelized cost of energy to cap cost of energy, that is, like 30 to 40 euro cents for the US dollar same per kilowatt hour. And that price we can compete with, of course, we need to start somewhere to get into the market. And then we can sort of get the economies of scale over time, also,

David Evans: 23:20

just providing that ability to have a renewable energy generation system, or water generation system in those remote islands. And that's a perfect example for where a system like this could be very useful right now, but I mean, everywhere. I mean, I want one by one in my backyard, too, if I was right on the ocean.

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 23:42

Yeah, well, because these these remote island states are because many of the, because we're talking with some of these people that are leaving these places and want to have a system like ours, they don't have enough land space, you know, it's difficult, you know, in Mauritius, Maldives put out last winter, but in general, it doesn't really make sense that and it's also a very distributed, so they are looking at other solutions. And this is about having a non intrusive system, because you can actually see from from shore, because it's under the water, and you don't take up land space. So that is very interesting for them, of course, and it's nice, it's part of the solution that we're coming up with this system.

David Evans: 24:20

Yeah, I'm curious, is it simply using buoys? Or how do you plan to protect the wave piston system from marine traffic or other boats? And are you really competing with areas where there would be a lot of traffic?

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 24:34

Yeah, well, I think that is a general concern or is it's a chance all over the world because it's increased traffic has increased pressure on ocean space. In general, yeah, aquaculture fishery, you have tourism you have normal read traffic. So that is it is an issue and it has to be planned very carefully in all the different locations where we also want to be because we need to have an exclusive zone where this system will be. The nice thing is that there will also be like a sanctuary for fish and both flora and fauna, you can say yeah, because you're you're not allowed to go fish. They're not allowed to have traffic there. So they are just, you know, thriving, and we become just like an artificial reef. So this is Of course, a concern, we made some analysis again that Martinique to see where could we be assessed and compared to the other activities that was ongoing fisheries, etc? And you all always, you know, question, okay, especially from the fishery, okay, but then we can't face the No, but we build up another economy because we need to give operational maintenance of this that might, you know, help a bit. And then we have to fish, some of the other locations, that is sort of the trade off, you could say with these things. But it's also with offshore wind, it's the same, you're not allowed to, to navigate in those areas. And then, of course, combining offshore wind and wave energy, you know, that is, of course, also interesting, because you already have some areas, and if you have good waves there, for instance, in the North Sea, we should also have wave energy, because then we increase the capacity of the whole area, you and then we use who they were better, of course respect and you need to do operation and maintenance of the different devices and of the, of the wind turbines, etcetera. And that is, of course, you'd like something right now in the Danish government has just recently or last year was agreed on, on investing in an energy Island and the island is is one of the mega trends at the moment. So they were building energy out in the middle of the North Sea, to start with three gigawatts of wind and obtain key what have been afterwards, and then export that to different countries around the North Sea. But of course, now we have this nice area, we should also put wave energy. So we get more out of this area, together with

David Evans: 26:51

just put it all in there. Yeah. I'm curious, what are the potential environmental impacts of a wave piston system? And in full operation?

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 27:02

Yeah. Again, short answer we don't know yet actually, because we the full scale systems we're putting in there's an environmental monitoring program, at the same time doing that from from the test site where we are, can they also come and look at, you know, two measurements, etc. What we can see from the system we've done in the North Sea has not been a scientific study is just that we have fish and the floor, and we have biofouling, for good or for worse, you know, on the system. And we've had both dolphins and seals, etc, around it. But that's, of course, not the scientific approach we've had so far this, there have been other more scientific approach on other wave energy devices, which have not shown any negative impact and flow profile. But of course, as WaveNet, it is not a mature market, there's no commercial installations, yet no last installations yet. So you cannot say 1% Certainty say with this will happen, this will not happen. We need to show we need to do make scientific studies on these things. And see what happened when we put more systems out there. In our system, we don't have any sort of polluting materials you could say. So toxic materials in it is quite small. As you can see, footprint we have been put in the ETrack and has put them in and with our system. So that's what we touching the seabed with them with this. And then what we can see is that then growth happens on the system, then there will be some sound. But again, it's very limited sound and earlier scientific studies and others have not shown any negative effect from that. But that needs to be studied more.

David Evans: 28:39

Yeah, that was gonna be my next question about underwater noise and its impact on on marine life as well. So be interesting to see how that develops with the full scale array.

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 28:50

But exactly, but it because to me, that has to be also looked at larger ratio, because for SQL devices, if you those those analysis have been done and no negative impact of this, you know that one? So when you just see.

David Evans: 29:03

Yeah, I was just thinking to with a system like this as it continues to mature when you're out there. I'm curious with the system that you have already had out on a smaller scale. Was there a timeline where you needed to go out and either remove debris or there was a buildup of barnacles or clams or the it was becoming an issue to the efficiency of the system? Yeah.

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 29:27

So the thing is, it depends on what type of file filing we have in the system. But what is the other challenge we have with this system we have in the northeast, actually that we have got a lot of muscles on our booster boosters are placed in each intestine shown in Quincy, but also the tension in the whole system. And they but they started getting heavier. So then, of course, the Bucha is not there. So we had to scrape up the muscles. So that's one thing that part of the operation maintenance, you need to clean for that. And then of course, what we looking at is to look at the material that were biofouling was not be as extreme as with some things we don't want to use too much, you know, painted by off on the paint. So we also look into copper side glass paper material, which can be done so it'll be less biopharma things, but But as for efficiency, we've not seen anything that Then it but that is also remains to be seen and things because when we talk with people that have exploited biofouling, it can change almost from one page to another page, what type of bow find better things. The tests we did in the in Gran Canaria. Last time here these three, three months, we got quite a lot of buyer file, but not inside the system, but just you know, on our field says we have some raw fields coming in, and they have to be clean. So they have to be easy to take off and on as part of the operation. I mean, besides that there was a lot of growth, but not something that was disturbing. Negative for us,

David Evans: 30:56

I guess it would depend on the area that is deployed. Exactly. That's,

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 31:00

that's what we're hoping to do what we've been told also from from it.

David Evans: 31:04

Yeah. Well, I've been learning so much, this has been fantastic. And for many of our listeners here in Canada, how can we maybe myself being in a landlocked province? How can a landlocked Canadian or anyone listening to this podcast help support we've piston all the way in Denmark and wave energy generating? Yeah, actually, there

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 31:26

are some Canadian colleagues of mine, that are also working with VAT and decent nation. So of course, supporting sort of the whole section, you know, getting it up in what will be important for us and for the whole sector is to get you know, the message out, and then the pressure on both the politicians decision making this because we need that also. So that's what we're doing that the whole time by our membership organizations and stuff like that. So that's one thing. And then of course, also in Canada, you get to some very nice title things on it, at least on the on the on the end, then on the West Coast, very good wave climate, they're also things. So supporting these initiatives in ocean energy as such, but also wave energy, of course. And then talking with people and getting out on in the media, like you do now that it always helps. Because when politicians start hearing it, there's going to be pressure about all these things and also want to support this, then we can get into sort of this section moving on faster than we are moving right along.

David Evans: 32:37

Wonderful. Wonderful. And my my final question, How did you find yourself a part of this team? What led you to where you are currently as the CEO of wave piston?

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 32:47

Yeah, that's sort of you can say, the usual mid 40 crisis, you can say I want I want to do something that really is all okay, this could be something that will make a big difference in the world. Yeah, I have a background actually been working in the in the financial industry with large projects and different types of things with the capital markets, etc. And I was just starting to think it's a no, I want to do something else use my my competences as something that I could see make a large difference. And I like to build up things also like these things. So that was sort of the combination. And then I knew one of the events is have heard about the innovation model we'll be doing. And they are not the best in getting, you know, all the other stuff around to get this to work. They want to focus on the technical side of things. So okay, let me take that one. You take the other one. And then let's make a big difference together. So that was sort of like the driving force for this. And then yeah, we've been going on since now, almost, yeah, over eight years now. I've been part of this

David Evans: 33:52

incredible, incredible, thank you so much for spending the time to speak with me today. I'm hoping that all the listeners will have picked up something here and there. And we're gonna get so excited about wave energy. And we're going to be looking for wave energy options in Canada. And I'll be posting links to support wave piston, but also Canadian wave energy as well. So thank you so much for spending the time to speak with me today.

Michael Henricksen, WavePiston: 34:17

But thank you, too. It's been a pleasure. And yeah, please follow us, you know, both the whole sector and also wait, paste. We have a LinkedIn page where we do updates, you can always see nice pictures, videos, what is happening. And then we'll have to come to Canada and install some systems there as well.

David Evans: 34:34

There we go. Perfect. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for listening to today's deep dive episode with Michael Henrickson, the CEO of wave piston. And thanks so much to Michael for taking the time to speak with me. He's a great speaker and is clearly very passionate about this type of energy. And I think it holds so much promise for the future. And I'm so excited to see where it goes. I'll be sure to add some updates on where they're actually at with their process. Once this episode is released, check out the show notes. There'll be updated for sure. But hey, want to keep updated yourself? Be sure to check them out at wave piston.dk That's our main website. You can also follow them on LinkedIn. They post regular updates on there as well. up on their website, they have a lot more information and some really cool informational videos that really helped break down the process and help you visualize the actual system we're talking about with these energy collector plates. I'm the host and producer David Evans. And I just like to thank the rest of the team, specifically Paula poem, and Lee Burton, and the rest of the aquatic biosphere board. Thanks for all of your help. And to learn more about the aquatic biosphere project. And what we're doing right here in Alberta telling the story of water, you can check us out at aquatic biosphere.ca. And we also have launched our new media company, a b n aquatic biosphere network, which you can find that the public place dot online and search for the aquatic biosphere network channel, where we will actually be posting all of the video episodes that we're going to be creating this year. So tune in, they will be out for the next little while, but very excited to start sharing video content as well as our interviews. Next week, we will be releasing our deep dive episode with Dr. Steve Grassi from geothermal Canada, where we learn all about the potential we have in Canada to create geothermal energy, and actually how we have so much potential, but we're not using it yet. And why is that? Tune in? You won't want to miss it. If you have any questions or comments about the show, we'd love to hear them. Email us at conservation at aquatic biosphere.org. Please don't forget to like, share and subscribe. Leave us a review. It really helps us out. Thanks and it's been a splash